Security on the Street with Jeff Dooley – Episode 4: RVing with Joe & Kait

On this episode of the RVing with Joe & Kait podcast, we discover the subject of private security and preparedness whereas on the street, that includes regulation enforcement veteran Jeff Dooley. With over 26 years of expertise, Jeff shares invaluable insights into creating a safety-focused mindset, important for guaranteeing a safe and pleasant RVing expertise.

As everyone knows, RVing is in regards to the freedom and pleasure of exploring new locations. But it surely’s equally essential to take action safely and with the appropriate preparation. We hope this episode offers you with worthwhile insights and sensible suggestions on your RV adventures.

Security on the Street with Jeff Dooley

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Jeff Dooley Shield your self and your loved ones with the right mindset. If we depend on choosing our cellphone up and dialing 911, we’re already misplaced. What are the instruments that I must need to make this profitable? What do I want to hold with me to make sure that I’ve an excellent time and secure? I don’t wish to be fortunate. I wish to be ready.

Joe Russo Welcome again to the RVing with Joe and Kait podcast. Right now I’m speaking to Jeff Dooley, who’s retired regulation enforcement with over 26 years of expertise.

Jeff and I are going to be speaking about security, preparedness, and mindset whereas on the street in an RV. That is one I’ve actually been trying ahead to and I hope you benefit from the podcast, so let’s dive proper in.

So, Jeff, inform us a bit about your self.

Jeff Dooley Properly, first, Joe, thanks for having me on the podcast. I’ve acquired 26 years, a bit of bit over 26 years of regulation enforcement expertise on the native degree. Throughout that point, I just about ran the gamut of what you are able to do in regulation enforcement.

I used to be a patrol officer, clearly, for a number of years. I labored crime suppression, which was road crimes. I ran a Ok-9 for quite a lot of years, and a detective for a number of years, and I wound up and ended my profession as a sergeant on patrol.

Right now, we’re gonna discuss a bit of bit about mindset, in regards to the psychological preparation to guard your self and your loved ones.

Joe Russo Individuals have all these fears due to issues they see on the information, so I assumed it will be nice to speak to you and begin to perceive that mindset you talked about and for those who may sort of convey that and clarify what meaning to have that mindset.

Jeff Dooley So once I take into consideration mindset, it’s all inclusive, it’s an act of nature, storms, floods, tornadoes, and in addition human elements. You already know, that’s folks which are tenting within the city surroundings, sure, are they a goal or may they be a goal? Completely.

And all of it begins to guard your self and your loved ones with the right mindset. I don’t stay my life paranoid and don’t go anyplace. I put together myself mentally so I can go and do issues that I wish to do.

My spouse and I journey overseas. Can we feature firearms there? No, we will’t. However we have now a psychological preparation to arrange ourselves the place we go so we will go and revel in these areas with out being paranoid or burdened, if you’ll.

So after we speak about mindset, it’s a multi-layered side. What’s my mission and the place am I going? What are my targets once I go there and what do I must do to make sure I’ve a secure restoration? So I like to think about it as a pyramid. My final objective is to get again dwelling safely. So if I’ve that in thoughts, how am I gonna route myself to get there, get pleasure from my keep after which get myself again?

So after we discuss in regards to the psychological preparation, what do I must have? What are the instruments that I must need to make this profitable? You already know, do I’ve med kits? Do I perceive tips on how to apply fundamental first help or cease the bleed if we’re concerned in an accident or one thing, heaven forbid, an energetic shooter or energetic killer, an occasion occurs? Do I do know the place to go? Do I’ve a rally level if I’m with a number of members of the family?

Do I’ve a firearm? Do I understand how to make the most of the firearm? Do I’ve a blade? Do I understand how to make the most of the blade? Do I’ve a influence weapon equivalent to a stick, baseball bat, something equivalent to that? Do I do know the right strikes on a human to get them to cease their habits? All the best way right down to avoidance.

That’s my final objective is, I’ll win 100% of the fights that I by no means become involved in. So if I can keep away from a scenario, that may be a win. It’s not cowardly as a result of for those who’re by your self, , you don’t have members of the family to fret about and also you’re concerned in an altercation, , you’re defending your self.

However when you’ve got a number of members of the family with you they usually can’t, equivalent to kids or somebody that is perhaps injured or aged, more often than not they will’t defend their self the best way an abled human can that’s youthful and extra resilient. So what’s my objective there? It’s to get away.

Joe Russo Trying from an RVer’s perspective, you’re in your RV, you’re about to go away dwelling, you’re taking that mindset with you. The objective is to go to a nationwide park, spend a couple of nights and are available again. Sort of stroll me by means of what that individual must be serious about, and never solely from a human menace, however animals and different issues as they’re going by means of that course of.

Jeff Dooley After I start, I suppose my journey, if you’ll, or my mission, as I wish to name it, terminology actually doesn’t make any distinction. We’re going to a spot, we wish to have an excellent time, get pleasure from ourselves and make it again dwelling secure.

So earlier than I even go, I’ll, what I wish to name, environmentally map the realm. I’ll get on Google Maps, I’ll take a look at the campground or if I’m staying in a resort, I’ll take a look at the resort. If I wish to go even a bit of additional, there are many web sites that can map crimes the place the realm that you just’re going. So it should present you what crimes are occurring in that space and the way steadily they’re. So I do know what to prep for earlier than I even go.

So if I can environmentally map the realm, is there only one method in or a technique out or is there a number of ways in which I can get out and in of this space? After I get there, , the place do I test in? That’s going to assist me out in the beginning. The place do I test in? The place may my room be? How do I get out and in of? The nationwide park, more often than not these have a technique in and a technique out.

If I can’t get out, the place can I’m going to make myself and my household secure, away from the plenty of the folks? And as soon as I determine these objects out, what do I want to hold with me to make sure that I’ve an excellent time and secure?

For me being retired regulation enforcement, I can carry a firearm nationwide. Some folks can’t do this. Some folks don’t wish to do this. So take a look at the native legal guidelines there. Are you able to carry? Proper, for those who can’t, and also you wish to obey the legal guidelines, what else can I’ve? What different abilities do I must deliver these instruments alongside to make sure that I’m secure?

Be sure that I’ve my medical provides. How a lot meals, water do I’ve that may maintain me for a brief time period, once I say brief interval, 24 to 72 hours earlier than any person else can get there.

As a result of we have now to grasp, if we depend on choosing our cellphone up and dialing 911, we’re already misplaced. We’re our personal first responders. If I’m again nation tenting or again nation RVing, how lengthy did it take you to get there? So once I name 911 and attempt to clarify to them the place I’m. You already know the place you might be, however they may not know the place you might be. So it may very well be hours earlier than they get to you.

Joe Russo Yeah, sadly, I discovered that lesson the onerous method. We have been up in Lake Tahoe, California, and I took the bike out for a trip, grime bike, and went up into the mountains and wished to discover round a bit of bit. I advised Kait what my route was. If I’m not again by this time, come get me.

Had a critical crash, dislocated my shoulder. I used to be on the bottom in critical ache, after which I pull out my cellphone and no sign. So it was already beginning to get darkish and it was, do I sit right here and wait or do I attempt to get out of right here? So I made the choice to start out mountaineering again alongside the route that I might have taken with a dislocated shoulder, bruised ribs, every part else. As I used to be going out, fortunately I acquired one bar of service, sufficient to ship textual content messages and never a cellphone name.

However by the point everybody acquired on the market to get me and get me to a hospital, it was two and a half hours later. Had that been a critical accident? I in all probability wouldn’t have made it. And it was that proper after that, that’s after we went out and acquired the Garmin inReach.

Joe Russo What different instruments moreover med equipment, one thing to guard your self with, Garmin, would you deliver alongside?

Jeff Dooley You already know, that’s a particular query of as soon as once more, all of it comes again to what’s my mission. And if I’m going anyplace, even an area journey, going to work or going to the grocery retailer, firearm, an edged weapon, a blunt object or stick, a med equipment, and I can’t stress sufficient on med equipment.

It doesn’t matter if you wish to use a instrument to guard your self equivalent to a firearm or a blade, an edged weapon, influence weapon, for those who don’t wish to do this it will it will be in your finest curiosity to a minimum of perceive. As a result of regardless that you may not ever be concerned in an altercation, for those who’re in a crash, and you’ve got a beloved one which wants medical consideration, and you don’t have any data to a minimum of assist them till the native EMS get there, you may actually watch them die.

With some fundamental abilities, you’ll be able to guarantee their survival a minimum of till the folks which are rather more educated and have many extra instruments and sources accessible to them until they get there.

Don’t use the time period all the time fairly often, however I all the time have some kind of medical gear on me. After which some further issues, if I’ve cell service, my cellphone is often on me. I’ve the thought means of if I’m my spouse Ashley is aware of if one thing occurs and I can’t drive, I will likely be right here on the home. It would take me two days, however I’ve a route that I’m gonna get again to right here.

If we’re touring collectively and we separate, if one thing occurs within the space, if a twister comes or if there’s an energetic killer scenario, we all know to satisfy again at a sure rally level. So we pre-plan all of this stuff earlier than we even get out of the automobile on our method there.

The time period that I used earlier is environmentally map your space. The place can I get into the constructing? The place can I get out of the constructing? And I want a number of methods. I want my major method, my secondary method, and my tertiary method if it’s accessible to me. And if I’ve that data, once more, I set fundamental parameters or targets to efficiently get from level A to level B and again to the home finally so we will have an excellent time. We don’t have to fret about these issues.

We’re sitting right here having this dialog and I’ve little doubt when folks watch this there are these that can assume that they’re not having fun with their self as a result of they’re paranoid about one thing occurring. That’s not even near my thought course of after we journey. I don’t have to fret about what occurs as a result of I’ve already deliberate and set myself up for achievement when one thing occurs.

As a result of the time to make a plan will not be when it occurs, since you don’t have the time nor the chance to construction what’s going to occur, as a result of the stress hits you. And also you’re not going to assume rationally for those who’ve by no means been concerned in a vital incident.

So if I put these steps in place and take into consideration this and have this dialogue with who I journey with, household, kids, my growing older mom and father. When it occurs, we will say one phrase or nothing in any respect and we will put our plan in movement and we will all make it out secure.

But when I’ve to consider the construction of getting from level A to level B in a scenario of a twister the place a number of buildings have been blown down or an energetic killer scenario the place I don’t know who’s an excellent man and who’s the dangerous man. If I’m attempting to provide path to a number of folks, the chance of me getting out of there in a well timed method is fairly low.

Joe Russo Let’s take what you have been speaking about, particularly with the resort and mapping areas out. Let’s deliver that to the RV.

Jeff Dooley So once I take into consideration defending myself on the street, and even right here, I take a look at it as a multi-layered safety. So if I can a minimum of get three rings of safety round my RV or the place I’m, that’s nice for me.

So we will consider the primary ring as, so for those who’re tenting in a campground, the perimeter of the campground. You clearly, there are different campers round you which have paid, they’re there legitimately they usually might need been vetted earlier than they even confirmed up. So I’m not saying that I’m fearful about them. I’m all the time cautious.

However the perimeter of the campground, if I hear a commotion or one thing happening exterior of that, it alerts me, what can I do? What’s that? My consideration won’t be taken away from that till I resolve it. Both I must act and get out, or it’s not a menace to me. It was one thing else, it’s gone away, now I can loosen up.

Joe Russo So for instance, let’s say another person within the car parking zone, you hear a person and girl yelling and screaming at one another. One thing like that?

Jeff Dooley Proper. A crash, otherwise you hear sirens coming, you may see a fireplace. Is it involving me? Or will it embody me if it will get nearer? So I’ll watch, I’ll work out, is it a menace to me? Is it not a menace to me? After which when it resolves itself, the native authorities get there, the hearth division will get there, and it doesn’t embody me or contain me, now I can return to stress-free.

Joe Russo In order that’s the very first thing you mentioned. What in regards to the different two?

Jeff Dooley The second layer is my rapid campsite. Now how can I defend myself with that? There are objects and instruments on the market that you would be able to get that can warn you if somebody comes into your campsite.

For instance, I’ve on my property right here, I’ve sensors that if one thing passes in entrance of the sensor, it makes a sure noise. And that wildlife will set it off, but in addition people will. Individuals driving a automobile, folks strolling. It’s cheap, it’s battery operated, photo voltaic powered.

So once you arrange your campsite, you may get this stuff that can defend the perimeter of your camper. So if somebody breaks that sensor, they may make completely different sounds. You’ll be able to rise up to, I imagine, 5 on one system, and every space will give a distinct sound. So I do know the place they’re exterior of my RV or my dwelling or the place they’re on my property.

In order that’s some worthwhile data that I do know that can alert me earlier than they even knock on my RV or my dwelling and let me know that any person is round. Is it somebody that’s there to steal issues that I’ve exterior the RV? Is it somebody that’s attempting to knock on the RV and rob me or steal what I’ve inside.

So as soon as once more, it alerts me and I can put my plan of motion in place. What’s that plan of motion? Once more, it goes again to what’s your mission? What instruments do you could have with you? But it surely doesn’t get you to the startle impact to the place you get up any person standing over you.

Joe Russo After which what about from contained in the RV?

Jeff Dooley Okay, so the third layer is the precise, so for my dwelling, it’s the outside of my dwelling. So it’d be the outside of your RV, proper? Somebody knocking on the door, somebody knocking on the window. That’s my final layer. I don’t have sufficient time, I don’t have as a lot time to react as a result of it’s that a lot nearer to me. But when it’s secured, they haven’t damaged that final layer, once more, what do I must do? I’m not simply gonna open the door with out seeing who’s on the market.

I can discuss by means of the RV. These of you that may, that’s in an space that you just might need a hoop doorbell in your RV or you could have the aptitude of hitting your backup digicam or different cameras that you’ve round your RV, are you able to look and see who it’s? Is it a number of folks? Have they got a weapon? Is it the police? But when, I don’t wish to break that barrier and simply open the door if I do not know who it’s.

Joe Russo Yeah, and talking of which. So we love to do plenty of city tenting. And persons are all the time afraid of city tenting as a result of they could park someplace and never take note of the principles or legal guidelines of the realm after which get that knock at three within the morning concern that it’s the police and for some cause kicking them out of the realm. How ought to somebody, in the event that they do get a knock in the midst of the night time, how ought to they reply to that? What are a number of the steps they need to undergo earlier than they open the door and work together with that individual?

Jeff Dooley The knock at three o’clock within the morning. No one likes that. It’s both dangerous information that any person’s going to provide you or it’s bother. Or it’s the police.

So let’s again up a bit of bit and say for those who’re city tenting and also you may not have seen you’ll be able to’t in a single day camp right here or it’s not marked however any person has referred to as for good cause. The police may come and ask you to make sure that every part is perhaps secure otherwise you’re secure for the general public is the Christmas Day bombing that occurred on 2nd Avenue of Nashville. It was an RV parked on 2nd Avenue, loaded with explosives, blew up half of 2nd Avenue in Nashville. So the police have been referred to as as a result of there have been a complete lot of different issues concerned with that might alert that it was a hazard.

Why somebody would name or have the police present as much as knock to make you progress is that they could assume the neighborhood is unsafe. So don’t assume that, and I’m going to speak as a police officer’s perspective, I don’t wish to go and knock in your door any greater than you need me to knock in your door. However I’ve a job to do as a result of somebody is named they usually’re involved. So if that occurs, first off, we’ve already mentioned this, let’s see who it’s first.

A bunch of 4 or 5 younger males which have bats of their fingers, in all probability not going to open the door, proper? However is it a uniformed officer that you would be able to see that there’s a badge, they’ve a belt, they’ve a radio? You’ll be able to discuss to them by means of the RV to make sure that it’s an precise police officer, it’s not somebody dressed up. You’ll be able to truly name 911 and say, hey, look, that is the place I’m. There’s any person dressed as a police officer knocking on my RV. Is it police? If you’re uncertain.

And there’s nothing unsuitable with that as a result of let’s face it, in our world right now, there are folks that can impersonate officers to allow them to victimize others. However as soon as you make sure that there’s a police officer they usually’re reputable, , see what they’re there for.

They is perhaps simply checking in your private welfare. They may inform you that, I’m sorry, you’ll be able to’t park right here. We’ve gotten complaints or we wish to ensure that the neighborhood is secure as a result of sure issues stood out that they have been involved about. However for those who simply ignore that, if it’s reputable police, they’re not gonna go away. They’re gonna get some kind of a solution of for those who’re secure otherwise you’re not secure.

Joe Russo I’ve gotten plenty of feedback and seen lots of people who don’t wanna carry a firearm. They carry bear spray and or wasp spray, which I all the time thought the wasp spray factor was loopy, however I’m curious to get your tackle what alternate options there are to a gun and what these two objects deliver to the desk?

Jeff Dooley I’m gonna again up a bit of bit. Do it’s a must to carry a firearm to be security? Completely not, proper? It’s all in regards to the six inches between your ears. If my mindset is correct, I can guarantee my security, proper? For avoidance. There are these occasions that I’m ambushed, that I didn’t see it and I’m there, what can I do?

People who don’t wanna carry a firearm, that’s high-quality that don’t have any drawback with folks that aren’t assured. And fairly frankly, I applaud them as a result of they only didn’t purchase one thing and now they don’t know tips on how to use it they usually level it in a path they usually, heaven forbid, hurt any person that wasn’t even concerned, proper?

In order that remark sort of brings me again to a quote from Miyamoto Musashi from the E-book of 5 Rings, “to turn into over conversant in one weapon is as a lot of a fault as not understanding it sufficiently effectively.”

So if you concentrate on that, if I’ve a favourite weapon, and I’ll reference a bit of bit to my profession with this, if I’ve a favourite weapon and it doesn’t work, now what’s my plan? And if I don’t understand it effectively, so instance, if I resolve to construct a home and I simply go purchase a hammer, do you actually assume I’m gonna be capable to construct a home correctly? No. I must have that data of tips on how to use these instruments to construct it correctly.

It’s no completely different with a firearm. Simply because I’ve a firearm doesn’t imply I’m gonna be capable to use that correctly. One weapon and it doesn’t work, now what do I do? All proper, I have to be effectively rounded.

The wasp spray, bear spray, is that an choice? It completely is an choice. However there’s a dichotomy to that. If I rely solely on that, I’ve seen, and I’ve handled those who spray or chemical weapons had no impact on them in anyway. That may very well be the psychological disconnect that they’ve. That may very well be the chemical cocktail that they’ve injected of their physique that they really feel no ache or that doesn’t impact them. It would later but it surely doesn’t instantly.

So if that doesn’t work, now what’s your plan? And if I don’t have one other reply to that, I’m going to pause and I’m going to have to think about one thing and at that time do you could have time to pause and name day out when somebody’s attempting to assault you to make one other plan? The reply is completely not. So people who carry that they usually rely solely on that, they’re setting their self up for failure.

So once I take a look at private safety, I’m taking a look at an all encompassed system right here. First, mindset. That’s a standard theme right here. The thoughts drives something and every part that you just do. So consider it this manner. The six inches between your ears or your thoughts is your essential laptop. That drives any and all instruments that you just resolve that you just wish to carry or make the most of in a private safety scenario.

Gun, edge weapon, blunt object, taser, chemical weapons, or medical provides. If this isn’t proper, it’s all gonna fail. Except you’re fortunate. I don’t wanna be fortunate, I wanna be ready. Trigger luck favors the ready. If I get this proper, now what do I really feel snug carrying? And once I work out what I really feel snug carrying, now what are the talents I must have for these? I determine that out, now I’ve a plan to coach myself.

Keep in follow with these and once I say follow, that doesn’t imply that I’ve to spend eight hours a day in a dojo for seven days for six months to be proficient in one thing, proper? I must have a bit of bit of data on all of this, all the issues that I select to hold with me and that may very well be, that might take quarter-hour thrice per week and if I do this over a time period, my ability degree begins to get higher and higher and higher and higher.

There are these those who wish to immerse their self in one thing, and if that’s the case, that’s good. However there are people who don’t have the time or the chance to try this, that’s high-quality as effectively. However what number of occasions will we decide up our cellphone and we’re simply mindlessly scrolling for quarter-hour once I may have been practising a ability to make myself and my household a bit of bit safer and a bit of bit more adept within the abilities that I would like.

Joe Russo Yeah, and I feel by way of coaching, like the category I took with you, we’ll deliver this up in direction of the tip of the podcast the place you and I and Kait have give you a category that we wanna supply to the neighborhood. And I feel there are plenty of alternatives on the market. And there are some that folks don’t even take into consideration.

Like Kait discovered a category for us to take a primary help course. It was provided, I feel it was $10, but it surely was provided by means of our well being division of our county. We went in there, we discovered CPR, we discovered burn strategies, all types of stuff. We discovered tips on how to use tourniquets and basically our entire med equipment, every part that was in our med equipment, we sort of went by means of along with her and he or she defined tips on how to use it, went by means of all of the processes and every part else and popping out of that, each Kait and I felt rather more assured having that med equipment and understanding tips on how to use it and it’s simply a kind of, it’s additionally a ability that goes away after time that it’s a must to follow, renew, be sure you know tips on how to get the tourniquet on, that form of factor.

However by way of different issues, you talked about the firearm and other people simply going out and shopping for one, placing it in a drawer, for instance, after which hoping they by no means want to make use of it however by no means coaching on it. What about issues just like the bear spray and the wasp spray? Let’s say that’s your most popular methodology of defending your self. Are there methods to coach with these?

Jeff Dooley There are. So first off, the place do I carry it? If it’s in a drawer within the RV and I want it exterior, do I’ve time to go get it? More often than not, the reply to that’s no. Do I’ve it on my individual? Is it simply accessible? And when I’ve it, how do I deploy it? The place do I spray both the animal or the human with this? How far is the stream from the place I’m standing to get to the opposite individual? Do I’ve to keep in touch distance? Or will that stream stretch out 10, 15 toes? Is it full? Is it half full? Is it nearly empty? So if that’s the case, is it gonna attain to that most degree or distance that I want?

More often than not once you speak about wasp spray, now these are massive canisters. Am I gonna stroll round that in my pocket or is it uncomfortable? As a result of I promise if one thing is uncomfortable and also you assume you’re going to hold it to guard your self, extra occasions than not you’re going to go away it as a result of it doesn’t really feel good once you carry it. So that you’re going to go away that again. Identical factor for firearm.

People are naturally lazy. I’m going to maintain what feels good to me and I’ll depart the gun as a result of it’s like, ah, it’s not going to occur to me. Once more, it goes to the mindset. You wish to deliver the consolation over the discomfort.

Joe Russo I wish to liken plenty of that stuff to when folks say, what do you want a gun for? What do you want bear spray for? We’ve encountered plenty of hikers up in Montana and that, I don’t want that, I’ll be high-quality. It’s not gonna occur to me. I all the time ask the query, effectively, in your RV or your own home, do you carry a fireplace extinguisher? What number of occasions does your home burn down? Most likely by no means, but it surely’s one thing we hold round as a result of we all know there’s a chance. And when that unlikely scenario occurs, for those who don’t have that instrument, your SOL and , plenty of dangerous issues may occur.

Jeff Dooley You’re completely proper. It’s no completely different carrying a fireplace extinguisher round with you as a result of this might occur, no completely different than carrying a firearm round as a result of some act of heinous violence may occur to you.

As soon as once more, we’re not in search of bother. We’re the nice guys right here. We supply that for our safety as a final resort. If all my different choices of avoidance has failed and the individual or individuals are nonetheless coming in direction of me and it’s both me, my household or them, that’s when I’ll make the most of a firearm. The final resort. All the things else that I’ve exhausted has failed or it wasn’t time that I may go to it.

After we carry a firearm, it isn’t an intimidation instrument. It’s not the reply to all of it. As soon as once more, if I solely have a hammer, every part seems to be like a nail to me and I wanna hammer it. I don’t wish to consider a firearm as that method, as a result of if any person knocks in your door at three within the morning and also you pull a gun out and pointed at them, and it was a police officer, it may not end up very effectively.

Or if it’s any person simply eager to know heaven forbid, as a result of people are, you’ll be able to’t actually work out what they’re doing. They wish to knock in your RV and say, hey, the place’d you get this? That is superior. Let’s speak about this at three o’clock within the morning. In case you level a gun at them, you may be and must be charged with aggravated assault. It’s good to perceive when to deploy your weapons, no matter you carry, on the proper time.

And that may very well be a complete different dialog is that when do I deploy these? When is it okay? I’ve to grasp the legal guidelines and the principles of the areas that I’m in earlier than I do sure issues.

Joe Russo However one factor I don’t assume we’ve talked sufficient about but is these first steps. So we’ve talked about attending to the firearm, however you talked about earlier an important factor and what can get you out of just about all conditions is avoidance. And I don’t assume we have now sufficient time on this podcast to undergo what all meaning, however are you able to give some examples of , both being in an RV or being in a scenario and what avoidance seems to be like and the way that mindset works.

Jeff Dooley Completely. So, as soon as once more, if I can determine some kind of a menace, or let’s say it’s simply an altercation, exterior the RV, or proper exterior the restaurant that I’m in, wherever you might be, you’ll be able to apply this with no matter scenario that you just’re in.

If I’m on the 45 diploma syndrome with my cellphone and I’m not being attentive to what’s round me and one thing actually occurs proper subsequent to me and I’m not conscious of it after which I look over, I’ve a startle impact. I don’t wish to hit that startle impact. I would like to have the ability to see what’s happening previous to it attending to me or encompassing me within the space that I’m in.

Since I’m a Vary Grasp at Gunsite Academy, , Lieutenant Colonel Jeff Cooper’s colour codes involves thoughts right here. So his colour codes in a simplistic kind is white, yellow, orange, and crimson. And people codes usually are not reference to the quantity of hazard that you just’re in, but it surely lets you be situationally conscious of your environment, and for those who see one thing, I can increase from one degree to a different.

So to step you thru these white is unaware. I’m not being attentive to what’s round me. More often than not, we will’t all the time be increased than white generally as a result of we have now to sleep, and we’re in our personal layer, if you’ll, that we really feel consolation, proper? However white is what I don’t wish to depart the home in or I don’t wish to depart the RV in and go into the world as a result of I’m not conscious of my environment.

Joe Russo So for instance, all of us, if we’re speaking RVs, you pull as much as that gasoline station at midnight as you’re on an extended drive and, , plenty of these RVs have enormous tanks. You’re gonna be there for some time. Stick the pump in and you then get in your cellphone otherwise you begin being attentive to one thing else. So that you’re in white mode proper then.

Jeff Dooley Completely. You don’t see any person stroll as much as you, faucet you on the shoulder and it startles you. It’s best to have seen them a minimum of across the perimeter of your RV or any person tries to open up your passenger facet door when you’re on the driving force’s facet. And now they’re in your RV. So sure, that’s white.

If I’m getting gasoline, I’m pumping it, then my head is up. So we take into consideration predators within the wild. Do you ever see a predator within the wild not paying consideration, , as a result of their survivability depends on consciousness. The place’s their subsequent meal approaching from? Or the place’s the apex predator that’s above them? Are they attempting to assault them and feed? We don’t, we have to be no completely different than that.

So we get out, we put our nozzle in, we all know we’re going to be there quarter-hour, our heads up, we’re trying round and ensuring that no person is coming as much as discuss to us may very well be a homeless individual that simply wants some cash, or it may very well be any person that’s attempting to get near you to allow them to victimize you, proper? However sure, that to type reply, sure, that’s the white situation.

The subsequent is gonna be yellow. That is what I wanna do most of my working in, within the wild, proper? My head is up, I’m alert, I see issues round, I can look, however there’s a distinction between trying and seeing. I must see if one thing is attempting to select me out or is there an altercation going someplace that I don’t must go in that path.

I’m usually conscious. I’m not centered on something. And let’s face it, I’m not hyper-focused anyway. I’m simply usually conscious. I’m having fun with myself. I’m trying and seeing. I can benefit from the outdoor, I can get pleasure from something that I’m round. If I’m in an city surroundings, am I in search of a pleasant espresso store or I’m in search of a pleasant place to have a beer in a cool bar? I can get pleasure from myself once I do that.

The subsequent is orange. What I’m in search of there or what has made me go from yellow to orange is {that a} particular factor has occurred or an anomaly has occurred that’s out of the norm. Anyone’s observing me or I’ve been strolling down the road they usually have adopted me into two or three areas, my consideration is on that.

I’m not going to take my consideration off of it till it solutions a few questions for me. Are they, have they picked me out? Are they a menace to me? Or now did they only go off someplace else as a result of now I’ve, they see me taking a look at them, proper?

If I’m in a market, I went to the restroom, I come again out, any person is on the checkout counter yelling and screaming on the clerk. Am I simply going to stroll proper subsequent to that? Most likely not, as a result of I don’t know what’s happening. As a result of what may occur subsequent is a gun may come out, a blade may come out, or a fistfight may come out, and now it has encompassed me. Is there a again door that I can exit to keep away from that? That’s what I’m in search of.

After which the subsequent step is crimson. So orange, I’ve a particular occasion or individual or factor that has drawn my consideration to it. And I’m not going to take my consideration off of that till I resolve secure or not secure, or I’ve exited the realm, proper, to make myself secure.

Purple involves be, for instance, if I’m on the pump and I’m in yellow, I’m trying, then I see any person across the perimeter of the gasoline station, proper? Then they begin, they take a look at me, they begin strolling towards me, which pushes me to orange. They’ve a hoodie on, their fingers are of their hoodie, proper? Now, I can verbally discuss to them, “hey, keep again, I don’t have something for you, transfer on.”

They hold coming, they begin to pull one thing out of their hoodie, then I’m going to change to crimson. In the event that they pull a gun out, then I’m going to do that. As a result of the choice is already made now, as a result of I’ve that line within the sand. In the event that they’re going to attempt to rob me or attempt to shoot me or attempt to stab me, as soon as they cross this barrier, as soon as they pull one thing out in an space to the place I must defend myself, the choice is already made. I don’t need to make it up proper then.

So they begin strolling to you, they pull a gun out of their hoodie. Clearly I’ve switched to crimson. Now what’s my plan of motion? If I don’t have a gun, proper, what can I do? The place can I transfer? Is there a bit of canopy that I can transfer to? Can I get into the shop and have the clerk lock the door, name the police? Can I get in my RV? Am I getting in my RV? Can I simply drive away? So the crimson is the motion half.

I don’t wanna go from white to crimson as a result of then they’re proper on me. I don’t have time, I’ve that startle impact. I don’t wanna go from yellow to crimson, proper? It’s that point I wish to see issues. I wish to see the issues that don’t stand out to me, the anomalies, if you’ll, that’s not norm. And I reply these questions earlier than they get to me.

When persons are victimized, there’s a five-step course of. You already know, it’s a must to be in the identical space. They’ve to select you out, proper? They’ve to shut the space, nevertheless that can. And as soon as they shut the space, then they need to act.

Joe Russo Can I make the idea that if you’re somebody, if there’s a gasoline station and that predator is there they usually see somebody trying down on their cellphone paying no consideration and also you together with your head up trying round and you then spot them, they’re more likely, much less prone to decide you out as a goal.

Jeff Dooley Completely. They need a straightforward goal. It’s no completely different than a predator within the wild. They search for the weakest prey. People aren’t any completely different. In case you seem like a straightforward goal, you may be a straightforward goal. In case you’re not paying consideration, they will simply get in touch distance with you. And I wish to keep away from being in touch distance with somebody that’s going to attempt to victimize me as a result of they will do a number of issues to me.

Joe Russo Now let’s speak about a scenario which I failed in. After I was taking your class and also you and I had spoken about this, however I wish to reiterate for the, or inform the viewers about it.

So, I used to be, we had gotten performed with the category for the day, and I’d gone over to Planet Health to go seize a bathe and simply sort of recoup. And after I acquired performed, I needed to rearrange some issues within the van, certainly one of which being my firearms that I had in there for the category and I used to be pulling stuff out, placing it on the bottom. I had the doorways open, and I used to be sort of being attentive to what was round me, however I used to be additionally paying extra consideration to what’s occurring within the van, and my again turned to the car parking zone.

The subsequent factor I do know, I’ve a girl developing on me who seems to be homeless. When she does come up, all I can odor is alcohol. She looks like she’s on medication. She’s telling me this story about her grandkids and the way she wants cash and every part else and all of the whereas she’s speaking, I’m attempting to get all my stuff again within the van, so she doesn’t essentially see it, however I don’t know who else is on the market.

So with that scenario, inform me how I may have performed issues higher and been extra conscious?

Jeff Dooley So, , when you could have conditions like that, you’ll be able to study lots from it. And what can I do higher to make sure that I don’t even put myself in that scenario?

So, consider it this manner. In case you may have rearranged that earlier than you left a identified space, the vary, you’re in good firm with folks in school, we all know one another, you’ve been vetted to return to class, it’s a secure space, we’ve been taking pictures all day, we all know who’s round, may I’ve performed that earlier than I acquired to that vacation spot?

As soon as I get to that vacation spot, as soon as once more, for those who’re by your self, and somebody comes up there dividing your consideration. May one other individual along with her, when you have been coping with her, attempting to get her away, acquired into the entrance of your RV. Or went to a different facet the place there’s a bag or one thing simply inside your RV, taken it and moved on earlier than you even knew that they have been there.

So if we’re doing one thing within the wild and we’re by ourself, we have to consider a few issues. Is there a number of accesses to my RV? A number of doorways or locations open to the place any person can get in if I’m on one finish I can’t see 360 levels round except i’m on high uh It do I do I want to shut the doorways and lock it and simply have the sure doorways open that I’m controlling proper there nobody else can get in for those who’re trying you see somebody approaching you clearly you’ll be able to say “dangle on only a second I’ll come over to you, don’t come any nearer.” You already know, “let me get this located and I’ll come discuss to you.”

Or simply inform them dangle on you discuss to them, shut your doorways, get in your van and drive off. You don’t need to go discuss to anyone you don’t wish to. Particularly if it’s apparent that they’ve some kind of a psychological difficulty, they may very well be a hazard to you or they’re intoxicated in a technique or one other. In the event that they proceed to return up on you, as soon as once more, “cease. Don’t come any nearer. I don’t have something for you.”

This isn’t the time to be politically right and good for those who assume somebody may very well be a menace or goes to attempt to steal one thing or victimize you in a technique or one other. That doesn’t imply disrespect them and demean them, however I’m going to be assertive, inform them to cease, clear, exact phrases in order that they don’t get any nearer to me.

Joe Russo And for somebody who’s, particularly somebody who’s touring solo, we’ve been in loads of conditions, one this previous week the place we have been at a car parking zone and we had gotten up that morning and a girl got here round to the van and requested for some assist. Their automobile had died in a single day. They have been additionally tenting there and requested if we may bounce them. I assessed the scenario, broad daylight, every part else. They regarded regular. “Positive, I’ll come over and make it easier to.”

However for those who’re, particularly for those who’re a solo individual and also you don’t have somebody watching your again, I do know there may be that feeling like it’s a must to assist this individual or I’m a foul individual for not doing it, however you set your self in a scenario the place you may not make certain of. What are some alternate options? Like saying, “hey, I can’t make it easier to, however possibly I can name somebody for you.” Or what else can I do with out having to work together with that individual?

Jeff Dooley Most individuals care about what different folks take into consideration. Most individuals do. And also you don’t wish to be labeled, oh, they’re imply, they didn’t wish to assist me, they didn’t wish to do, , they only left me right here.

However we have now to take heed to our sixth sense. If it doesn’t really feel proper, there’s one thing that simply stands out to you that doesn’t really feel secure, look, I can name any person for you. In case you don’t have a cellphone, I’ll name any person they usually’ll be over right here. We will name the police, they will bounce you off. I don’t have the gear to try this for you.

And if they are saying, effectively, I’ve jumper cables, I’m sorry, I don’t really feel snug with this, let me name somebody for you, as a result of I’ve someplace to be. Once more, you don’t need to be impolite about it, however you’ll be able to deny, you will get them assist. So you might be serving to them, and also you simply didn’t depart them and had no contact with them in any respect.

It’s simply, you didn’t put your self in that scenario to, A, now you’re hooked as much as them, and I’m in an space that I may not be capable to get away from in an environment friendly method, and if now they’ve set me as much as victimize me, what are my choices? So I don’t wanna become involved with that. Supply to name any person for them in the event that they don’t have the contact. And also you have been on a timeframe that it’s a must to depart. You don’t have the time for this, however you’ll get them assist.

Joe Russo Now let’s say we’re in our RV. One thing occurs. You expertise a success and run. You have been someway victimized, any variety of issues, and it’s a must to name 911, it’s a must to name the police, they’re gonna come. What are issues that you are able to do to assist them? What are issues that try to be being attentive to and be capable to relate to them with a view to, for them that can assist you?

Jeff Dooley It’s an excellent query. So, when the police arrive, they wanna ensure that they’re secure in the beginning.

Joe Russo And I suppose earlier than we even get there. A whole lot of us who’re, let’s say, boondocking, we’re out within the wild, what are some good instruments or how are we going to inform the police the place we’re? We will’t simply say, hey, I’m out in the midst of the forest.

Jeff Dooley Proper. And for those who don’t know your location, that’s a difficulty in and of itself, proper? I must know the place I’m. Particularly for those who’re boondocking out in the midst of nowhere, how did I get right here? And most rural police departments, sheriff’s departments, have you learnt your GPS coordinates? As a result of these days they’ve the power to kind the GPS coordinates in and finds you on a map they usually can direct the officer or the deputy to the place you might be. So having that data proper off the bat, simply in your cellphone to the place you may take a screenshot of it. And if one thing occurs, you’ll be able to say that is the place I’m. The dispatchers that you just name into may have that data that may direct in there.

In order that’s, once more, if it’s a well timed method and also you’re attempting to determine the place you might be, that takes time. It’s too late at that time.

Joe Russo Completely.

Jeff Dooley So having that data, you’ll be able to write it on a whiteboard when you’ve got a whiteboard in your RV. That method if one thing occurs, you may understand it, however all people that’s with you must know that as a result of what for those who can’t talk otherwise you’re unconscious, now how do they discover the place they’re? And in the event that they don’t have the means or perceive how to try this, it’s going to take that for much longer.

So you may have a easy little whiteboard or a structured space of if one thing occurs, that is the place we’re, that is what we do, and that is how we make contact. It’s only a simplistic factor, after which we’re ready for it in case it occurs.

However going again to your query, I wish to ensure that when the police arrive, they know that I’m not a menace. So if I’m there and there’s the altercation or no matter occurs, occur and I’m simply ready on them, I’m gonna flip my lights on. I will likely be out the place they will see me with mild that I’m not a menace to them. I’ll have the data from my automobile or RV available to them.

If I’m stopped on the roadway in only a common automobile earlier than the police officer will get up there, I’ll flip all my inside lights on, roll my home windows down to allow them to see every part in my automobile. They’re not going to really feel secure, however they will see their surroundings to ensure that there’s not an instantaneous menace. It shouldn’t be any completely different with an RV or an RVer once you name the police. Set them as much as the place after they present up that they will see their surroundings, then they’re not going to expertise an instantaneous menace.

How is that? Properly, how are you arrange? Do you could have lights you’ll be able to activate the inside the place they will see you? Keep in a lit space if it’s a car parking zone, they will just about see every part round.

In order that’s my first suggestion. So as a result of after they present up, bear in mind they’re coming to one thing that they do not know what went on, the data that you just give the dispatcher may not be the very same that they provide out or it’s on their MDT or their laptop that they get the decision on. In order that they have to determine what’s happening after they get there.

Second is have all the data accessible to them. The place is your registration? The place is your insurance coverage? The place is… do you could have video of what occurred? And my suggestion is when you’ve got an RV otherwise you’re driving throughout nation and you reside is it’s best to have some kind of a recording machine that data once you’re in movement and nearly 24 hours similar to on my dwelling right here.

I’ve video cameras that repeatedly roll and or on and if motion occurs they’ll begin recording as a result of when you’ve got that it’s simple to provide that to the regulation enforcement company they usually can truly see who did what. If it’s a success and run they’ll see the precise automobile. Possibly they will get the tag from that from that video. They may if it’s an individual to return that comes up smashes a window or does one thing they’ll truly see the individual.

In case you see them, you don’t have the video, a number of the worst proof is eyewitness proof as a result of we’re all human, proper? We make errors. We see one thing, but it surely’s not what we truly see. So simply saying it was a white man in his 20s, effectively, that’s an enormous inhabitants, proper? What are one thing to, did he have seen tattoos, proper? Was there scars? Did they stroll with the limp? If it’s a automobile, is there harm on the automobile? Do you know the make and mannequin of the automobile? Did it have something that stood out to you? Did it have aftermarket wheels on it? Did it have loud exhaust? Was one panel a distinct colour than the opposite a part of the automobile? Was this windshield smashed on it? Issues that aren’t simple to alter, proper?

As a result of if I say it’s a white-male-twenties with blue denims and a white shirt, it’s simple to alter the blue denims and the white shirt. I’ve had folks at crimes commit a criminal offense as quickly as they get out of visible space of the place any person noticed them, they’ll take their shirt off and put one other one on, or take their pants off and put some completely different pants on to right away change their look. And there’s a complete lot of issues that’s not simple to alter that stands out. What was their accent? Proper? In the event that they gave the impression of me, they may very well be from the southern states, proper? Or did they sound like they’re from Boston, proper? That’s what we’re in search of. One thing that’s not that they will’t change or is difficult to alter.

Joe Russo Okay, yeah, I feel once I had that incident at Planet Health, I went inside later and spoke to the supervisor there, simply to let him know this girl was within the car parking zone. And when the supervisor began asking for an outline, I used to be given a bodily description, and it was fairly normal, as a result of I wasn’t in a position to get, I used to be simply attempting to get away from the lady.

However as soon as I began telling her about what the lady gave the impression of, the alcohol in her breath, the story she advised me. And I advised her, I remembered the story and I advised her the precise story and he or she goes, yep, we all know precisely who that’s. She both makes use of this story, this story, and like a number of the issues I had advised her have been in a position to pinpoint to that girl. And that girl had already been banned from that car parking zone so now she was getting a trespassing. So the police got here, filed a report, all that stuff. So these little particulars have been the issues that helped me determine who precisely that individual was.

Jeff Dooley And more often than not, native folks, if it’s any person from there, they know precisely who it’s, similar to in your case. And to again up a bit of bit, if that occurs and it was simply one thing that occurred small, they didn’t steal something, they didn’t get something, it was only a bizarre confrontation, don’t be hesitant to name the police as a result of that individual is perhaps any person that victimizes RVers everywhere in the nation or of their space as a result of they know that they don’t stay there, they don’t know them, and you may give some data that might result in the arrest of any person that victimizes RVers that come to this space on a regular basis.

So don’t assume that the data that you’ve or your incident that has occurred is inadequate. As a result of that one small little tip may assist determine any person that they’re already in search of.

Joe Russo Positive. And regulation enforcement, you give them a name and allow them to know. They’re not going to be upset that you just referred to as to inform them this.

Jeff Dooley That’s what they’re paid to do. They’re going to reply to assist the person out and clear up crimes.

Joe Russo Now we’ve lined plenty of floor right now, and I feel plenty of it, as we talked about earlier, some simply grazing the floor of all these particulars. However are there different issues that for this dialogue right now that you just wish to impart to the viewers or issues that we haven’t gone over fairly but?

Jeff Dooley You already know, to sum this up, I’d wish to say don’t take the enjoyable out of what you’re gonna do, proper? The explanation why you’re RVing is to exit and spend high quality time with your loved ones and family members to expertise new issues. And after we speak about this, regardless that I’m very obsessed with it, , some folks assume that now that is the one factor I take into consideration after we’re touring and that’s not the aim of this.

The aim is to make you conscious of tips on how to put together your self so you are able to do all of that and never have to consider your welfare or security till one thing occurs. I discussed a bit of bit earlier, after we journey, some those who know us are like, oh, y’all should not have that a lot enjoyable as a result of, , you’re all the time serious about your your security, that isn’t the case. We journey stress free as a result of we all know we’re ready to deal with something that occurs. And if I’ve that data, it frees you much more to go do what you need, once you need, the place you need, as a result of if one thing occurs, you’ll be able to survive that, escape it or deal with it. And also you’re right here to stay one other day go expertise the stuff once more.

Joe Russo Positive, and if I may present an analogy, inform me for those who assume that is right. However having that mindset is similar to, we don’t have children, however I do know loads of individuals who do, however after they go to, let’s say Disneyland, or they go RVing they usually’re bringing kids alongside, these mother and father know they should deliver moist wipes, snacks, there’s all types of issues like a mother may pack in her purse for the youngsters if they’ve a breakdown or no matter it’s, and be capable to be ready for these moments.

Like for those who, I bear in mind as a child, we might go to Magic Mountain, go on the water rides. My mother and father all the time introduced alongside dry socks, as a result of it was simply a part of life, and I feel it’s the identical factor. It’s simply stuff that you just hold behind your head. It turns into second nature. You’re ready, and also you’re not fearful about what occurs once I go on the water trip and I get moist socks, so I’ve to stroll round in these all day.

Jeff Dooley You’re completely proper. It’s the preparation and the mindfulness to just accept that issues can and can occur. It may not be excessive, or it may very well be excessive, however simply the acceptance that one thing can occur on the street to me or to us is a actuality. As a result of if I don’t settle for that, I’m residing in denial. And if I’m residing in denial and one thing occurs, as soon as once more, I’m not ready. I don’t have the instruments, I don’t have a plan, and all I can do is hope that I’m gonna come out of this on the excessive finish of it.

Joe Russo Yeah. Properly, talking of which, our coaching.

Jeff Dooley Sure.

Joe Russo So, you, Kait, and I had a cellphone name about two weeks in the past and I used to be focused on placing collectively a category with you for the neighborhood. And do you wish to inform, sort of clarify the category that all of us sort of designed collectively and what we’re serious about doing?

Jeff Dooley We will, we’ll get collectively and focus on the mindset, the right mindset to have. We will focus on the instruments that, , it’s best to have otherwise you wish to have, what coaching you want for these instruments.

We’re additionally going to introduce a newbie’s pistol class to the place for those who don’t have a pistol otherwise you’ve by no means actually dealt with a pistol or you could have one and also you’ve by no means actually had any formal coaching, , security, correct manipulation of it, correct presentation of it, and simply get you an introduction to being snug with a firearm.

After which from there, we’ll simply construct on what folks need. As a result of all people’s mission and all people’s imaginative and prescient of what they need goes to be a bit of bit completely different. Perceive that issues can and can occur and it’s okay I’m gonna survive and thrive on this as a result of I’m ready for it.

To make sure that all people will get what they need out of sophistication I don’t wish to run massive lessons, however we’ll restrict this to about 12 folks.

Whenever you speak about mindset and preparation it’s a life-style. So there is perhaps a bit of little bit of adjustments, but it surely’s not all encompassing. However I recognize the chance to let me share my data and failures over time that put me within the place that I’m now.

Jeff Dooley And if folks wish to get in contact with you, how can they do this? Yeah, it’s fairly simple. The corporate identify is PersonalResponsibilityLLC.com. It’s simply because it sounds. Everyone’s private accountability to guard themselves and their family members. It’s not the police’s resolution or accountability. It’s yours. So if it’s good to get in contact with me, that’s the easiest way. You’ll be able to ship me emails, textual content messages, and I’ll get again to you as quickly as I can.

Joe Russo I may have spent hours speaking to Jeff, and I actually really feel like we have been simply scratching the floor on plenty of these matters. One factor that basically stood out to me that I haven’t thought that a lot about is , if we’re out boondocking, let’s say out in the midst of the forest or the desert, if one thing occurs, assist is perhaps hours away and we’re actually our first responders.

I took lots out of that and we’ll be making use of it into our sort of day-to-day lives of RVing. That mentioned, I might like to have Jeff again on this present and if there are particular matters or issues you want to us to debate, head on over to the YouTube video for those who aren’t there already and depart a remark.

Now for these of you who’re within the class Jeff and I have been speaking about, within the present notes of right now’s episode we’ll depart a hyperlink to a listener kind that you would be able to fill out and we’ll notify you when the main points drop for that class.

In case you’re a brand new or skilled RVer and also you’re in search of extra sources, head on over to our web site at weretherussos.com. I’ve an article there particularly on touring with firearms, new novices information for RVers, and lots of different issues that can assist you in your RVing journey.

Down within the present notes, you’ll discover a checklist of the sources we talked about in right now’s episode, together with the books that I’ve written in regards to the RV life-style.

In order that’s it for right now’s episode of RVing with Joe and Kait. Hope you loved it, and for those who haven’t already, please subscribe or comply with on no matter platform you’re utilizing, and we’ll see you subsequent time. Bye.